Comments on: Let’s Blow Past the Gatekeepers! http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/ A law blog by Robert Lombardo on The Whole 9 Wed, 8 Jun 2011 18:35:10 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: biko http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/comment-page-1/#comment-18 biko Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:13 +0000 http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/?p=5#comment-18 Marston: Since it might take a while to get to your question; the short answer is "yes." Robert Marston:

Since it might take a while to get to your question; the short answer is “yes.”

Robert

]]> By: marston http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/comment-page-1/#comment-17 marston Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:48:38 +0000 http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/?p=5#comment-17 Robert Copy-write infringement is such a big deal for musicians who sell millions in cds and single downloads.....but probably useless for musicians who sell only a few thousand because not many people know of you....so no $ in bootlegging your music. I pay 9 cents in royalties to the Stones and the Verve for each use of my version of their song Bittersweet Symphony and that works fantastic. I am huge in South Korea and Malta! But my question deals with a live show. Do you video a concert and that copy-writes for all time your original costumes, lighting effects, props, music, dance routines, story lines....everything? Marston Robert
Copy-write infringement is such a big deal for musicians who sell millions in cds and single downloads…..but probably useless for musicians who sell only a few thousand because not many people know of you….so no $ in bootlegging your music. I pay 9 cents in royalties to the Stones and the Verve for each use of my version of their song Bittersweet Symphony and that works fantastic. I am huge in South Korea and Malta!

But my question deals with a live show. Do you video a concert and that copy-writes for all time your original costumes, lighting effects, props, music, dance routines,
story lines….everything?

Marston

]]> By: biko http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/comment-page-1/#comment-16 biko Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:20:21 +0000 http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/?p=5#comment-16 Yes, Jim, I thought nothing good can come from that admission. But you forgot to mention the lawyers who re-write the laws every so often. Then, everyone must run back to (i.e. pay) them to explain the new law (and then, of course, how to avoid the law). Yes, Jim, I thought nothing good can come from that admission.
But you forgot to mention the lawyers who re-write the laws every so often. Then, everyone must run back to (i.e. pay) them to explain the new law (and then, of course, how to avoid the law).

]]> By: poorgood http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/comment-page-1/#comment-15 poorgood Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:18:36 +0000 http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/?p=5#comment-15 jeez! maybe you should skip reading my 'breaking neon' blog. but great to have you onboard. jeez! maybe you should skip reading my ‘breaking neon’ blog. but great to have you onboard.

]]> By: Lorena Rivera http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Lorena Rivera Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:06:47 +0000 http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/?p=5#comment-14 Hi Robert, Thanks for the input... i'm sure it will benefit many others as well... Actually, I have taken all proper steps... and have never been through struggles without the peril... i guess it comes with the territory... but I accept my fate because I have faith... this isn't for everyone though, i must agree... it takes so much out of a person to fight! ... but the way i look at my situation is... if i don't stand up for myself, who will? and if I don't say something, this behavior will continue on and others will suffer the same form of hate... and i cannot, in good conscious, allow that! but that's just me :) thanks again, Robert... it is a blessing to have u here!!! Hi Robert,

Thanks for the input… i’m sure it will benefit many others as well…

Actually, I have taken all proper steps… and have never been through struggles without the peril… i guess it comes with the territory… but I accept my fate because I have faith… this isn’t for everyone though, i must agree… it takes so much out of a person to fight! … but the way i look at my situation is… if i don’t stand up for myself, who will? and if I don’t say something, this behavior will continue on and others will suffer the same form of hate… and i cannot, in good conscious, allow that! but that’s just me :)

thanks again, Robert…

it is a blessing to have u here!!!

]]> By: biko http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/comment-page-1/#comment-13 biko Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:58:53 +0000 http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/?p=5#comment-13 Lorena: I don’t like to speak for others but I think what the other two “ladies” were saying was: “I did a cost/benefit analysis and determined (for me) the benefit was not worth the cost.” When counseling any client, I start with the “cost/benefit” analysis. There is a cost to fighting and I have never seen a fight where the victor left the ring unscathed. Usually, a person who has been through the litigation process never wants to go through it again. That being said, the first thing you should try to do is document (as well as possible) the events. I cannot stress enough the importance of contemporaneous documentation. What you decide to do with the documentation is another matter - but at least you have it. In any event, I respect your position on this matter and admit that I have trouble (ie detest) “turning the other cheek.” I also admit that when I was young and unscathed, I ignored the “cost/benefit” analysis - at my own peril. Robert Lorena:

I don’t like to speak for others but I think what the other two “ladies” were saying was: “I did a cost/benefit analysis and determined (for me) the benefit was not worth the cost.”

When counseling any client, I start with the “cost/benefit” analysis. There is a cost to fighting and I have never seen a fight where the victor left the ring unscathed. Usually, a person who has been through the litigation process never wants to go through it again.

That being said, the first thing you should try to do is document (as well as possible) the events. I cannot stress enough the importance of contemporaneous documentation. What you decide to do with the documentation is another matter – but at least you have it.

In any event, I respect your position on this matter and admit that I have trouble (ie detest) “turning the other cheek.” I also admit that when I was young and unscathed, I ignored the “cost/benefit” analysis – at my own peril.

Robert

]]> By: biko http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/comment-page-1/#comment-12 biko Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:34:47 +0000 http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/?p=5#comment-12 Robin: You do not need to put anything on your images to "copyright" them. Once you publish an image, you have a “common law” copyright in the image. “Common law” simply means the law in effect in England at the time the USA was created. There are limitations to this type of copyright; but using the copyright symbol © will not help. The © is like a dog tag; it won’t help keep your dog from getting “lost” (ie stolen) but it will identify your dog. (I use the word “dog” in the most affection way.) Since I am not sure of your purpose for copyrighting, I will say no more. However, I think the subject of intellectual property is one that should be addressed in my next post. Like it or not, what you are producing is “property.” If you wish to control who or what uses your property – or how it is used – then you should know a little about the law. Like it or not, it kind of makes you a landlady. How do you like them apples? Robert Robin:
You do not need to put anything on your images to “copyright” them. Once you publish an image, you have a “common law” copyright in the image. “Common law” simply means the law in effect in England at the time the USA was created. There are limitations to this type of copyright; but using the copyright symbol © will not help. The © is like a dog tag; it won’t help keep your dog from getting “lost” (ie stolen) but it will identify your dog. (I use the word “dog” in the most affection way.)

Since I am not sure of your purpose for copyrighting, I will say no more. However, I think the subject of intellectual property is one that should be addressed in my next post. Like it or not, what you are producing is “property.” If you wish to control who or what uses your property – or how it is used – then you should know a little about the law. Like it or not, it kind of makes you a landlady. How do you like them apples?

Robert

]]> By: Lorena Rivera http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Lorena Rivera Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:30:44 +0000 http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/?p=5#comment-11 sorry ladies, i can't look past it! it is my mission to fight discrimination if it ever touches me or those around me.... it's too easy to look past the negative and just say, oh well, it wasn't meant to be or maybe there's another reason why this happened, or if u think negatively, u will attract negativity... not always... sometimes people are just a-holes! don't get me wrong... i'm not looking for discrimination... and that comment hits a nerve... because that is the reaction i got from the people i tried to inform about what was going on... they wanted me to ignore the abuse i was taking, assuming they could make me believe it was in my head... but i am not a stupid person and can recognize discrimination without just assuming it is occuring out of some victim mentality or over-sensitivity or excuse. i understand that u mean well, and u are just trying to make me think positively, but i have a different mission in life... i must keep my experiences as true of what happened to me and continues to happen to others... i am the one that will fight any discrimination every step of the way... so for those who want me to have a laid back mentality on it.... never! never in my lifetime will i ever just look past it... i experience it, learn from it, teach others, call people out, fight if i have to, and then i move on.... but only after my fight is complete... and only Great Spirit has the power to tell me when my mission is complete. i love u ladies for your role tho... but my role is a bit different... thank u for your kind words and open hearts :) sorry ladies, i can’t look past it!

it is my mission to fight discrimination if it ever touches me or those around me…. it’s too easy to look past the negative and just say, oh well, it wasn’t meant to be or maybe there’s another reason why this happened, or if u think negatively, u will attract negativity… not always… sometimes people are just a-holes!

don’t get me wrong… i’m not looking for discrimination… and that comment hits a nerve…

because that is the reaction i got from the people i tried to inform about what was going on… they wanted me to ignore the abuse i was taking, assuming they could make me believe it was in my head… but i am not a stupid person and can recognize discrimination without just assuming it is occuring out of some victim mentality or over-sensitivity or excuse.

i understand that u mean well, and u are just trying to make me think positively, but i have a different mission in life…

i must keep my experiences as true of what happened to me and continues to happen to others… i am the one that will fight any discrimination every step of the way… so for those who want me to have a laid back mentality on it…. never! never in my lifetime will i ever just look past it… i experience it, learn from it, teach others, call people out, fight if i have to, and then i move on…. but only after my fight is complete… and only Great Spirit has the power to tell me when my mission is complete.

i love u ladies for your role tho… but my role is a bit different… thank u for your kind words and open hearts :)

]]> By: robinsenour http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/comment-page-1/#comment-10 robinsenour Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:10:48 +0000 http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/?p=5#comment-10 ok. I was thinking of the wording of the copyright, hoping I did it right. I put after that little c thing which took me forever to find I think it's shift alt g. Anyway, I put that and then "copyright robin senour 2008" I used photoshop and created a layer with the wording, changed the opacity to something you could see the image through, and lo and behold all I had to do was drag the text box over my image (which I had open as well). Then you do some multiple savings and if you want the layers together you do that merge layer thing. Hope this helps. ok. I was thinking of the wording of the copyright, hoping I did it right.

I put after that little c thing which took me forever to find I think it’s shift alt g. Anyway, I put that and then “copyright robin senour 2008″ I used photoshop and created a layer with the wording, changed the opacity to something you could see the image through, and lo and behold all I had to do was drag the text box over my image (which I had open as well). Then you do some multiple savings and if you want the layers together you do that merge layer thing. Hope this helps.

]]> By: outofbounds http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/2008/07/14/lets-blow-past-the-gatekeepers/comment-page-1/#comment-9 outofbounds Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:57:46 +0000 http://thewhole9.com/blogs/thelegalroad/?p=5#comment-9 Hey Robin...your question about Fair Use of images that you post online is a great one...and I think perhaps one of the most relevant to an online creative community like The Whole 9 where everyone is concerned about having their work ripped off. Can you be more specific about what information would be helpful? I also think sharing about how you watermarked your work would be helpful to the people here. Thanks! Hey Robin…your question about Fair Use of images that you post online is a great one…and I think perhaps one of the most relevant to an online creative community like The Whole 9 where everyone is concerned about having their work ripped off. Can you be more specific about what information would be helpful? I also think sharing about how you watermarked your work would be helpful to the people here.

Thanks!

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